But vitamin B12 is only found in animal products!

Bacteria are not classified scientifically as animals. Hence it is a scientific inaccuracy to say that B12 is an animal product. In our modern world, yes we are super hygienic and sometimes getting that bacteria source needs to be paid attention to. If the only way to get a certain vitamin naturally was from kicking a small child would you do it, or would take a supplement so you didn’t have to kick the small child? This of course isn’t the case with veganism, because we can actually get vitamin b12 naturally without supplements, but if it’s that much of a concern for vitb12, supplements are very easy to get. It’s also a vitamin that stores very well in the body over time. They say that deficiencies often don’t even begin to develop until after 5 years. And some evidence actually questions our need for this vitamin altogether. Check it out. It’s all interesting stuff. I personally take a b12 supplement because it’s easy and actually tastes good — i get the chewable kind

http://donmatesz.blogspot.com/2011/12/vitamin-b12-and-human-nutritional.html

http://www.rawfoodexplained.com/why-we-should-not-eat-meat/the-vitamin-b12-hoax.html

 

But vegans have nutritional deficiencies

“I don’t like vegan’s proselytizing. I am firm in my convictions. I don’t believe in unnecessary harm to animals, but killing animals is necessary because vegans have nutritional deficiencies”

I agree that respect needs to go both ways on all ends of the spectrum. We all human, and we are all doing the best we possibly know. For vegans, the anger, the sadness is so real and so vibrant for the use and misuse of animals it can be difficult to not judge and feel hopeless with the society at large with how we mistreat animals. For non vegans, as there is a strong persistence within them that directs their actions. Blaming anyone is certainly unhelpful. Yet the main issue, is that a lot of the stances for non veganism is unfortunately unfounded, the more research involved, the more likely someone will be drawn to veganism. I’m curious to understand why killing for food is allowed when there is also a strong moral for animals to not suffer unnecessarily. According to the above person, the animal is suffering necessarily when being killed for food because of ‘science’ showing that vegans have ‘vitamin deficiency’. While it can be common that vegans have vitamin deficiency, it’s actually just as common for nonvegans to also have similar plus other vitamin deficiencies, they are just less sensationalized as they are when vegans or vegetarians have problems — that’s because the media in general favors the majority — read this article for more clarity on the topic https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/nov/b12.htm.

The only possible way to know if your body works ‘better’ on animal protein is to actually try plant protein in place of animal protein for a minimum of 3 months to a year, to see if there is a difference. And not just any vegan diet, because a person can just eat potato chips — while it may be considered vegan, it’s not going to be healthy. (All of these guys found that a healthy vegan diet helped them outperform their competitors http://www.greatveganathletes.com/) Best action is to follow a committed vegan doctor, such as, Joel Fuhrman (his book: Nutritarian Handbook is awesome) who has personally helped many individuals reverse many life style diseases through a healthy vegan diet. His guidelines as follows: Best guidelines from Dr. Joel Fuhrman:::
1. Eat a large salad every day.
2. Eat at least a half cup serving of beans/legumes in soup,salad or another dish once daily.
3. Eat at least three fresh fruits a day, especially berries, pomegranate seeds, cherries, plums, oranges.
4. Eat at least one ounce of raw nuts and seeds a day.
5. Eat at least one large (double size) serving of green vegetables daily, either raw, steamed or in soups and stews.
Also this guy’s video series is amazing. He takes the listener/ viewer step by step through all of the studies and that actually show humans consuming plant based protein healthier than those humans eating animal protein. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6j75BDq6DQ His whole series is brilliant and all can be sourced back to original science.
“Numerous studies have shown that poor meal planning is the cause of nutritional deficiencies in vegetarian diets, not the absence of animal foods. Well-balanced vegetarian diets have been approved for all stages of life, including pregnant and lactating women, children, adolescents, the elderly population, and competitive athletes.” http://www.medicinenet.com/vegetarian_and_vegan_diet/page2.ht
So as it’s true that it’s not a lack of animal protein that causes nutritional deficiencies, rather a lack in proper planning of eating, which can be the case for non veg eaters as well (happens all of the time, not eating enough vegetables and or fruits, developing colon cancer, breast cancer, diabetes, etc). This makes eating meat not the primary reason to keeping one healthy, rather an adequate meal plan with or without meat, that then makes the decision to allow animals to suffer for the sake of animal protein in fact unnecessary. I think this is the point that most are trying to get across to the general population. Because as a whole, humans are caring, compassionate people, we want to make the right and healthful decisions. And if right and healthful could also be, extending a compassionate hand to a suffering animal, whose species routinely ends up abused, and killed cruelly for the sake of protein that can be attained from elsewhere. Wouldn’t it make sense that as a species we would choose to not allow the suffering to happen unnecessarily?

But my doctor says I need B12 from chicken??

Meat eaters and vegans actually get B12 deficiency at the same rate.  Vitamin B12 is higher in a meat based diet, yet the body can’t assimilate it as readily because of the amount of acid made during digestion in a meat eaters gut can destroy much of the B12. Vegan diets in that sense can assimilate B12 easier, foods rich in B12 just have to be consumed.  If signs of deficiency are already showing, the best way to go, is to get some B12 shots or high dose supplements.