But humans are at the center of the universe

It’s unfortunate but I see this all of the time. People claiming that human beings are the apex of all of creation.

So ultimately we humans believe that animals are resources, how is it then, that most find animal factory farming monstrous then?

Some claim humans have been using animals since the beginning of time, and why should we ever think about changing?

Do you really believe that if we have always used animals for, food, shelter, clothing, that that justifies it as sane or good? In the face currently of ecological collapse on multiple fronts –oceanic and all lands?

Humans have always been at war with one another since as long as we are aware of, does that make war good or sane?

Humans have traditionally had much lower life spans, about half of what we have today, does that make shorter life spans sane or good?

Today, our extent to animal manipulation is much more than it ever has been, are you then against this? Animal testing for pharmaceuticals, make-up, house hold products, random experimental designs for ‘science’.

To what extent do you believe animals more resemble plants or rocks than they do humans? To what extent do you believe that animals have no capacity to care for themselves or others or their life? To what extent are Humans more aware, more conscious, more able than animals?

We just happen to be really good with tools, apart from that, I only actually see animals being often times, much more intelligent than us. We are the only species, who has managed to shift the ecosystem so much, that not only are we annihilating our own species, but we are bringing just about every other species down with us. If that isn’t a huge failure of intelligence, I’m not sure what is.

Just because something is weaker than us, I’m not sure how that justifies us, making full use of it. It’s the patriarchal mindset, use what can be used for your own means. Use other races for slaves, because you can, use woman and children for sex and labor without their permission because you can. Use animals for all of your needs, because you can. Use the world and its resources for your needs in excess because you can, Take from the poor, the sick, the helpless and the weak, because they are vulnerable, and it will keep you in power.

This is the mindset of many of the dominant cultures of the world today, They have hidden the messages so cleverly, yet they are still so bold and vibrant since, these are the actions unfortunately much more common among humans than the choice of compassion on this earth.

Our societies have successfully taught humans that this is the normal way, the only way, to gain strength, to gain fortune.

However, what is true compassion, what does living in an ecosphere mean. What is true connection. We live in a world that hardly anyone dare enter, or attempt to understand. We are trapped in the mundane everyday existence of cleaning, working, driving, using our gadgets, absorbing ourselves in made up stories projected onto screens. We are numb. Yet the mystery of the universe, the divine in all creation is here, waiting to be discovered in the minute occurrences that we too often ignore on a daily basis.

Yet, if we choose to listen, if we choose to be present, we can find this unshakable propensity of wisdom, in nature, we are not limited to the spoken words of humans throughout the ages, of course they would be telling the story with the creature of their choice (their race, gender and religion of human) in the center, but that hardly is anything but a boastful lie, to imagine the world as only full to the extent of that one component. Humans can’t exist without the functions of the ecosystem on planet earth, we are hardly important.

We in fact, are so weak, so fragile, so small in the grand scheme of things. To believe humans are at the center of the stage above and beyond all other life. It’s the same mindset as the belief that the Sun rotated around the Earth, claiming everything is only about us. So arrogant, so boastful, so untrue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfP-XBUbMvs


But where does it say that spiritually it’s the best thing to do?

But for clarity: where is it stated that veganism is The Way for humanity? Throughout ages omnivorous people have had great impact on others as spiritual and non-spiritual leaders. As I remember a reading Edgar Cayce gave to a vegetarian woman, she was told by the higher self that “she should keep being vegetarian if her soul asked her, however, being vegetarian is not a spiritual requirement”. ——

This is how I responded, I thought this question was interesting because they were wanting examples of spiritual people who suggested this kind of lifestyle. Which could essentially be anyone. I’ve never actually been asked this question before it almost rather through me off guard.. like oh wait, you don’t want some heavy science journal article?? :

well where is stated that meat eating is the way for humanity? Is it possible that we’ve gotten into a habit that is actually only causing us more harm? There’s also a lot of spiritual documents that do advocate eating plants only. Dr. Gabriel Cousens has studied Essene literature extensively and has been living off of raw foods for over 30 years. His youthful appearance in his 70’s, I think speaks to the strength of eating this way. Maybe there was a time that eating meat made sense for humans. And it’s possible that in some locations among some people, it also makes the most sense, perhaps for inuits in Alaska.. I’m giving an example. Although it’s been documented that even for these people there are health costs associated with this very high meat intake. In terms of spirituality, there are several individuals who do support being vegan in terms of mind and body cleanliness. In doing so you are not contributing to the industrialized suffering of millions of animals, in addition to contribution to the greatest greenhouse gas source, biggest water pollutor, and biggest reason why we are losing our rainforests. Again, the best, easiest source to learn more about this is Cowspiracy: The Sustainability Secret. I’ve been studying this stuff for years, so I was very familiar with it, however this documentary visually makes it very easy to follow and see all the first hand literature and interviews that goes into these facts. But yes, so to name a few.. http://www.erinpavlina.com/…/the-connection-between…/ and http://www.serv-online.org/Meria-Heller.htm and http://thethinkingvegan.com/…/veganism-and-spirituality/ Personally if there is a spiritual teacher who is not vegan. I can’t take them seriously. If Jesus himself came back to planet earth and told people that eating small amounts of meat was okay, I would turn and walk away. For me there is just no justification on a spiritual level that makes it okay, when as a species we can more than thrive on plants alone. There’s a lot of ways we can screw it up. by not getting enough greens or overconsuming fats, sugars, processed foods… or just not enough in general. But I’ve done enough research to know that it’s more than just possible. It saves lives. not only the lives of the animals and the health of the planet, but I’ve seen tumors disapear before my eyes, on ppl taking these foods seriously, I’ve seen my own pre-cancerous cells magically erase themselves from my own lab results after following these practices. I’ve seen my father in law, reduce his medicine by more than half, as a diabetic switching to this lifestyle. I mean I can go on. the miracles are endless. We just have to believe, and let go of this paradigm we’ve been trapped under for so long.

But humans are the highest life form


This issue bothers most of us, yet I can’t seem to resist kebabs, fried prawns, fish curry, etc. When a spiritual leader was asked by someone who was guilty of killing cockroaches, he laughed it off by saying that the cockroach was lucky to have got rid of the life it had in order to move on to a higher form of life. Since then I am happy to get rid of these repelling creatures. It’s like they say, it’s not bad to punish, it helps the person concerned to improve his/her karma.


I don’t know the kind of good work this certain spiritual teacher has done, but I think anything that doesn’t come from your own heart, your own inner knowing is worth questioning. Even ‘spiritual’ teachers are human in the end, they share the best of what they ‘know’ but it doesn’t make it truth. Maybe cockroaches look very different from us and move around much faster, but in no way can we say with certainty that they are a ‘lower’ form of life than us. Or that it is their ‘karma’ to be killed by us. It is their karma to live, it is our karma to live. When we kill them on grounds where we believe we hold absolute truth over who shall die and who shall live, in my eyes that is us playing god. Perhaps we are god, or perhaps we are accruing negative karma pretending to know the truth when we don’t actually know. These things are to be wary of, anything that isn’t loving kindness is to be wary of.

Response to the word, “Can’t”:

Can’t is a word we use when we are unwilling to try. Avoiding foods that are regularly consumed takes practice. It doesn’t necessarily come overnight. And sometimes it takes months just thinking about it, before the courage to try something new is able to settle. That is totally okay. What worked best for me, is to make up my mind, that I would try it, for a month — or a certain time frame. The more it is practiced, the more one can realize that the world is full of flavorful and wonderful foods. Soon I got to the point where the cravings totally went, perhaps some desire for certain tastes remained… but those tastes were mostly the sauces which can be eaten with vegetables or tofu and suddenly those comfort foods are really not so far away after all. The next level after adjusting your inner desires and cravings, is the ability to state what you like and what you need to family and friends. This was very difficult for me, I didn’t want to be a hassle, I did not want to cause issues. But with practice, again, I made sure to let people know, if I would be eating with them, what I eat and what I don’t eat. This allows them to know and to plan before hand so it’s not uncomfortable to come to their home and nothing you can actually eat. Some people will give you a hard time, that’s their job. But our job is to live in our own truth, and what feels right to us. It doesn’t serve them to try to ‘please’ them when it actually hurts you or hurts other beings involved… the discomfort to a being is not equal. I would rather inflict discomfort on someone then severe cruelty and murder to another in avoiding that. It’s your life, it’s your body, of course you have ultimate decision as to what goes inside. It gets easier, and then it gets joyful. And then you can’t see yourself looking back, unless there is some crazy apocalyptic scenario, and even I don’t know fully what I would do if such a thing happened.

But anyway, it’s possible, it just takes practice. It starts with denying one meal. And sometimes that first meal is the hardest, but it’s initiated a new brain pattern that will further be strengthened the more it is practiced. Another way to kick the habit is to watch documentaries that jolt the nervous system — the shocking horrors behind the scenes of these animal factories (earthlings, youtube videos, fork over knives, food inc, food matters). If you can’t bring yourself to watch it… it’s that much more reason as to why it is important to. It’s not fair that you are unwilling to watch something with your eyes, that millions of animals per day are experiencing with their bodies. And that is caused by you. By us, collectively and each of us who buy into the meat culture contribute directly to that. Those dollars tell those farm managers and CEO’s that we appreciate their services in the world. And we think that they should be some of the richest people in the world, because we believe in their cause. But is this truth? Do we really feel that way? We can in no way be disconnected from the fact that we are causing that, every time products are consumed from those factories. Even if its some innocent ‘leftovers’ that no one else was going to touch, it doesn’t matter, consumption leads to more consumption.